Who should the Steelers draft?
JVfan - I can't believe I forgot about my all time favorite reach in the draft for a player needed in a position. Troy "I'm the best because I say so" Edwards. If you recall in that draft the Rams drafted one spot ahead of the Steelers and got a quality receiver in Torry Holt (#12 overall, and projected to go to the Steelers). Edwards was taken one pick later, the 3rd receiver to go. Of course, Kearse went after that, and I believe some other quality guys went after that too, but I can't remember who. This is a prime example of why it does not work to draft based on need, unless you get lucky and the best player available fills a need.
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IN the Troy Edwards case, if I remember correctly, he was projected as at best a low first rounder. I agree that was one of the worst picks of all time. That was a case of a strong need and a weak pool. A bad combination for any team.
You have given some good examples to support your agrument. So in point/counterpoint I will offer a few names of guys to support my side. I may show my age with some of these but here goes. How about Huey Richardson(suppose to be the next coming of LT) and Walter Abercrombie (what position did he end up playing?), Delton Hall, Greg Hawthorne, and my all time favorite Aaron Jones. These guys were all drafted specifically because they were suppose to be the best available player.
You have given some good examples to support your agrument. So in point/counterpoint I will offer a few names of guys to support my side. I may show my age with some of these but here goes. How about Huey Richardson(suppose to be the next coming of LT) and Walter Abercrombie (what position did he end up playing?), Delton Hall, Greg Hawthorne, and my all time favorite Aaron Jones. These guys were all drafted specifically because they were suppose to be the best available player.
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That's an excellent point. However, many picks are busts (i.e. Ryan Leaf) after they've been hyped as the next coming....
I still believe you have less of a chance to get a bust if you're trying to get the best available player. If a guy should be taken in the 2nd round, but he's the best remaining player at his position, it doesn't make sense to take that player in the first 20 picks. Just think of the potential game breakers a team could be passing up..... In the end, it's a crapshoot on these young kids, and you never really know who the busts will be.
I still believe you have less of a chance to get a bust if you're trying to get the best available player. If a guy should be taken in the 2nd round, but he's the best remaining player at his position, it doesn't make sense to take that player in the first 20 picks. Just think of the potential game breakers a team could be passing up..... In the end, it's a crapshoot on these young kids, and you never really know who the busts will be.
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You have to do some of both.It wouldn't make sense to draft a Kellen Winslow in the 1st round when you might throw to your te 20 times all year and Winslow isn't a great blocker,not bad,but definately not his forte.The player should be the best available athlete that's compatable with your system.
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JV fan: very good info on the o-line! I see that Boselli hasn't played in over two years and really had only 5 or 6 good seasons. The Cowboys amassed a huge line but not the best line. What about Anderson and Gary? Both gained alot of yards behind that line. We'll see how good Portis does this year in a new scheme. What about Priest Holmes. He was a nobody before Vermeil and a very good o-line made him a superstar!
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Not really,Holmes had several big games in Baltimore and actually went over 1000 in less than a full season filling in for Jamaal when he went down with his second knee injury.Holmes' contract was up,Jamaal wasn't going anywhere and the Ravens weren't going to pay 2 starters.The rest is history.
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Boselli just couldn't get his shoulder straightened out.
The Texans took him in the expansion draft knowing full well he had problems with his shoulder. The Jags were 20 million over the cap and had no choice but to let him go even though he was a five time pro-bowler in his brief career. To his credit, when it became apparent that he wouldn't be able to perform, he took pay cuts and made attempts at rehabilitation but just decided to retire last year since he just couldn't regain his strength or range of motion.
voncap.....I'm old too and remember every name you listed. LOL Along with many more busts in higher rounds.
LionPride....I could be wrong but I don't recall the Rams picking immediately before the Steelers. Now the years seem to run together anymore but wasn't '99 the year David Boston was drafted??
I say that because I remember being pretty happy about Holt going to the Rams and was hoping that Boston would fall to the Steelers. Maybe it was Arizona that picked right before us and grabbed Boston and we were left with Edwards. I could be wrong though.
The Texans took him in the expansion draft knowing full well he had problems with his shoulder. The Jags were 20 million over the cap and had no choice but to let him go even though he was a five time pro-bowler in his brief career. To his credit, when it became apparent that he wouldn't be able to perform, he took pay cuts and made attempts at rehabilitation but just decided to retire last year since he just couldn't regain his strength or range of motion.
voncap.....I'm old too and remember every name you listed. LOL Along with many more busts in higher rounds.
LionPride....I could be wrong but I don't recall the Rams picking immediately before the Steelers. Now the years seem to run together anymore but wasn't '99 the year David Boston was drafted??
I say that because I remember being pretty happy about Holt going to the Rams and was hoping that Boston would fall to the Steelers. Maybe it was Arizona that picked right before us and grabbed Boston and we were left with Edwards. I could be wrong though.
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Priest Holmes was emerging as a great running back in Baltimore but they just had too much money invested in Lewis.Eaglealum wrote:Not really,Holmes had several big games in Baltimore and actually went over 1000 in less than a full season filling in for Jamaal when he went down with his second knee injury.Holmes' contract was up,Jamaal wasn't going anywhere and the Ravens weren't going to pay 2 starters.The rest is history.
Was Holmes even drafted?!? I don't think he was and thats what made him expendable. Goes to show the draft isn't an exact science.
The Steelers may have the same type player on their roster right now in Dante Brown. I thought he looked pretty good in the few chances he got in pre-season--I was hoping he would get some playing time towards the end of the season.
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Right on JVfan. I agree with that 100%. The key word though is "may have", and since Cowher is too stubborn to give him any type of chance to succeed since he was undrafted, we may never know. Remember how good this guy looked in preseason? I know that's not the same as regular season, but this guy had speed and moves and looked really impressive. He stayed on the practice squad all season for his efforts.JVfan wrote:The Steelers may have the same type player on their roster right now in Dante Brown. I thought he looked pretty good in the few chances he got in pre-season--I was hoping he would get some playing time towards the end of the season.
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