Bedford vs. Bishop McCort

[ham55]

I was agreeing with you austin, wow, saying that its no different from 20 yards or 40 yards.

[grizzle]

Whoever said the job of a quarterback is to throw the ball and move Harris to WR of RB is a complete idiot. In case you didn't notice, Bedford runs and option offense. Your quarterback has to be your best athelete, which Troy is. A couple years ago there was a quarterback from Nebraska names Eric Crouch who won a heismen a quarterback and he couldn't throw the ball at all. Hmmm. was he in an option offense I wonder.

[IEATHAM0555]

where's crouch playing now?

[fleaflicker]

Yes, you can succeed in high school, and even in college, with a quarterback as your best athlete instead of the guy throwing the ball. Many of those high school and college teams though, have an offense that revolves around running the ball, and throwing the ball is a rare play that's thrown in to keep the other team off balance. However, if you look in the NFL, most teams that don't have a passing threat cannot win. And to have a passing threat, you must have a quarterback that can throw the ball. Look at Cincinnati this year. With the development of Carson Palmer taking place in the backfield, and with him throwing more touchdowns than interceptions, the Bengals are 1-4. Chicago had Rex Grossman back there and now they are even worse off with Jonathan Quinn. They have a good RB in Thomas Jones, but those guys are young quarterbacks who can't accurately throw the ball in prime time. St. Louis had a bad stretch two years ago when Kurt Warner was QB, because he was having trouble throwing the ball, and ended up turning it over more than he was scoring points. I don't think I need to give any more examples. 9 out of 10 times in the NFL, you need a QB that is at least halfway decent at throwing the ball to have a winning team. There are a few exceptions (Baltimore is a notable one for this year), but most times, the rule holds true. That is why I believe the quarterback's job is to throw the ball accurately, rather than be the best athlete on the team. Peyton Manning is by no means the best all around athlete on his team, but he sure delivers.

But then, as I said, in high school ball with most offenses revolving around a running game, you can succeed with a mobile QB that's a threat to run rather than a pocket passer. Those are almost two totally different games.

[Gunner18]

all this talk about troy being a bad thrower, i dont necessarily think its true, to complete a pass it takes 2 things...someone to throw the ball and someone to CATCH the ball, if your recievers cant catch a cold, then what makes you think their gonna catch a ball? up until 2 weeks ago troy was throwing to shane "butterfingers" fox, and the kid had ZERO touchdowns, now that shane has learned to catch the ball hes scored twice in as many games. good recievers can make average QB's look good whereas bad recievers can make great QB's look bad.

[fleaflicker]

I was arguing the point that it takes a good throwing QB to compete in the big leagues, but the receivers thing goes almost without mention. I never said anywhere that Troy was a bad thrower, though I did think that when I said about benching a guy that wasn't getting it done. But then, I didn't realize that the receivers were the ones that weren't getting it done, as was mentioned a page later. But it still takes a good QB, as well guys that can catch the ball, to have a competitive passing game.

[BisonBlue07]

Name one NFL offense that runs the option. If there was one, Crouch would have been the first pick. He could be playing in the NFL at another position. Also, without Crouch at QB, Nebraska wouldn't have won a national championship. So, why didn't Nebraska move Crouch to wing or WR, because they wanted to win football games. If you watched the Syracuse game last night, you would have noticed a team with a poor athlete running the option.

[fleaflicker]

College and high school football are totally different from the nfl, which is why a running QB isn't necessarily their first pick. In the NFL, they want to win too, and that's why teams don't get a QB strictly as a runner. Donovan and Daunte are able to hurt defenses with their arm as well, and Jim Mora is trying to make Vick more of a passer as well, since he has some ability throwing the ball. Daunte is on a roll, and not because he's running the ball. If his pace keeps up the whole season, he would throw for over 5,000 yards and 58 tds. I doubt it will, but nonetheless, this just shows how important a throwing quarterback is. If throwing wasn't important, the Steelers would have decided to hang onto Kordell Stewart three years ago.

However, in high school ball, if you have good blockers and good running backs, the QB can hand the ball off and do some blocking and win games, perhaps without throwing a single pass. But the NFL isn't high school ball.

[ham55]

Then if the NFL and Highschool is totally different, why are we comparing the two. It's just digging a hole that you won't be able to get out of...

[HOLLYWOOD]

I think a win is a win however you do it or whatever scheme you run!! Just play hard!!