Money Changes Everything

[El-Moldo]

You're telling me that federal, state and local government give out monies and no one has to give an account of how they spend it? WOW!! Why keep books. There is ONLY ONE head football coach at PSU. There may be 100 janitors, 40 lawn specialists, etc. We can easily get the info on THEIR salaries. But ONE football coach is a special category. How do we know if he makes $200,000 per year or $2 million. What justifies hiding his salary? Hey, this could be like the $500 toilet seat scandal a few years back. Shouldn't state legislators be aware of how the university spends the money they give it? Perhaps state appropriations could be cut, canceled or altered if the university is not being prudent in spending money. How many people in our state could care less about college football, and just want their tax money spent in a responsible manner?

[Bedrock]

Why does PSU need 40 lawn specialists? They are wasteful. Just kidding.

Moldo does all this argueing make a vein in your forehead stick out permanently?

[voncap]

Wow Moldo,

Did you read my post at all? Where did I say the receiving organizations don't have to give an account for their money. All of these organizations, by law, are audited on an annual basis. The donating governmental body has every right to ask for accounting of the money in as much detail as necessary if they so chose. I believe my post was; the receiving organization is not subject to the same standards as the governmental body in regards to level of disclosure of information to the public.

You as a taxpayer have a right to question the people who make the donations (governmental bodies), and ask them why there is not a better accounting for the money, but do you actually think that state legislators are going to hand over 300 million dollars without some type of justification?

I also don't believe I posted that hiding his salary is justified. I stated he is not a government employee and therefore his salary isn't public information. The employer obviously has reasons as to why they want to keep the salary unpublished. Whether their reasons justify their stance is for each to determine.

You posted an assumption that his salary comes from the 300 million received from the state. The university could easily counter that his salary comes from the millions of dollars they make from football games or the individual donations they get every year because of the football program. If that is the case, since no tax dollars are paying his wages, they are not required to publish his salary?

Is this effort by the Harrisburg Patriot about disclosure or is it about the football coach's salary? As you pointed out, how many people care about the football coach's salary, but that seems to be everyone's point of emphasis. IMO this isn't about disclosure, it is about knowing Paterno's salary, and camoflouging that 'witchhunt' behind the right to know law is a farce.

[LionPride]

[quote="El-Moldo";p="93808"]You're telling me that federal, state and local government give out monies and no one has to give an account of how they spend it? WOW!! Why keep books. There is ONLY ONE head football coach at PSU. There may be 100 janitors, 40 lawn specialists, etc. We can easily get the info on THEIR salaries. But ONE football coach is a special category. How do we know if he makes $200,000 per year or $2 million. What justifies hiding his salary? Hey, this could be like the $500 toilet seat scandal a few years back. Shouldn't state legislators be aware of how the university spends the money they give it? Perhaps state appropriations could be cut, canceled or altered if the university is not being prudent in spending money. How many people in our state could care less about college football, and just want their tax money spent in a responsible manner?[/quote]

Should all the employees at CTC in Johnstown or New Enterprise have their salaries posted? Afterall, those companies run pretty much on government contracts.

[El-Moldo]

So if you are against the war in Iraq, how do you know that part of your income tax did not go to buy bullets for over there? You don't, do you? That's how it is at PSU. How can they designate what goes where when it all goes into some general fund. SHIFTING the money around within the General fund does not make it any better. His salary is directly related to the $300 million taken in each year from the state. Plain and simple.....How many people care about the coach's salary? Then why is it being brought out in the paper? And if very few care, then why don't they release the figure?...Witch hunt, or $500 toilet seat? Which is it?....If a company gets a government contract, THEY ARE WORKING for that contract for the government. They have to produce something for the government. To get that contract, the government must ACCEPT their bid, so the government knows in advance what they are getting for their money. PSU getting money is NOT A CONTRACT. So they don't have to deliver a product or service. PSU is getting the money TO DO AS THEY FEEL NECESSARY to run their school. It's not a gift, it's not a contract. So to prevent capricious spending, they should reveal what they spend it for, and not hide things....Therefore who cares what the President of CTC makes. It's already figured into the bid given to the governmant when CTC seeks a contract, right? If the government does not like their bid, they give it to someone else.

[Pale Rider]

I always thought GOD had no need of money or earthly things.

[LionPride]

[quote="El-Moldo";p="93889"]So if you are against the war in Iraq, how do you know that part of your income tax did not go to buy bullets for over there? You don't, do you? That's how it is at PSU. How can they designate what goes where when it all goes into some general fund. SHIFTING the money around within the General fund does not make it any better. His salary is directly related to the $300 million taken in each year from the state. Plain and simple.....How many people care about the coach's salary? Then why is it being brought out in the paper? And if very few care, then why don't they release the figure?...Witch hunt, or $500 toilet seat? Which is it?....If a company gets a government contract, THEY ARE WORKING for that contract for the government. They have to produce something for the government. To get that contract, the government must ACCEPT their bid, so the government knows in advance what they are getting for their money. PSU getting money is NOT A CONTRACT. So they don't have to deliver a product or service. PSU is getting the money TO DO AS THEY FEEL NECESSARY to run their school. It's not a gift, it's not a contract. So to prevent capricious spending, they should reveal what they spend it for, and not hide things....Therefore who cares what the President of CTC makes. It's already figured into the bid given to the governmant when CTC seeks a contract, right? If the government does not like their bid, they give it to someone else.[/quote]

So when are you going to post the salaries and names of those working for you?

[ham55]

[quote="El-Moldo";p="93889"]
PSU is getting the money TO DO AS THEY FEEL NECESSARY to run their school. .
[/quote]

You said it right there, it's for them to do what they want with it. Nobody else needs to know. I do NOT see what the big deal is here. You bet your sweet **** that those taxes are being used to fund the war, weather or not you support it. And you know what, if you don't like it, tough. I don't know what side you're on here Moldo, did you vote for Kerry...?

[El-Moldo]

It's NOT for them to do what they want with it. Are they building moving walkways like in an airport? Are they erecting big statues to Paterno or Bruce Parkhill? NO!!!! I said PSU is getting money "to do as they feel NECESSARY to run their school". BIG DIFFERENCE!!! They just can't take taxpayer money and throw it away. Until we see what Paterno makes, how do we know they aren't throwing money away with some exorbitant salary?

[El-Moldo]

bdftbllham55: How can you question my stance on the Iraq War by me saying "how do you know that part of your income tax did not go for bullets"? How you guys rationalize, or infer things, is beyond me. Gets back to the selective reading. If you have read enough of my posts, you know where I stand on Iraq. Why even question it, especially from what I just said.