JK Speech

[foghorn]

Hey, how about my man John Kerry's speech last night?! He looked and sounded pretty presidential to me. Everybody seemed to think he would fall flat on his face -- hoping it too, it seemed -- but he came through. I know a speech is just a speech -- but to me it seemed a good start to his campaign. I know there's a lot you can bash Kerry for, but Dubyah's people should lay off the negative stuff about his service experiences. I know that some vets hate Kerry because he came back and protested against the war -- but at least he knew what he was protesting against.

Should be an interesting race. Hope it doesn't get too negative -- and I hope it can stay out of the Supreme Court's mitts.

[CRLionDawg]

Foghorn, you are very predictable. Any time the right points out an issue that defines Mr. Kerry they scream about being negative. Things are not as bad under Bush as some want to beleive.

[cerberusjw]

i dunno. I think Kerry is more than fit for tha presidency. Everyone went nuts when he saluted tha confention and said somn bout repoting for duty (wish i could remember :? ). I liked that alot.

[LionPride]

Let's just point out right now why John Kerry will say anything that people want to here. This guy is a political prostitute, and I'm going to point out some reasons why.

1. He says that he will respond to terrorists if we are ever attacked again. Gee, I kinda like the fact that our President takes care of business before an attack occurs.
2. JK himself said 1 year ago that if you don't believe Saddam and his WMD's are a threat, then you shouldn't vote for him. Now he says the war was wrong because it's popular among the libs.
3. JK voted for the war in Iraq, but then voted against the additional funding for our troops. Sure, let's send our boys into battle and then vote against funding for them for better equipment. Kerry saw the exact same intelligence that Bush did, and deemed it necessary at that time to take this brutal man out of power. Yet now he gets away with saying Bush misled us? If Bush misled us, then so did Kerry, PERIOD.
4. I didn't see this, but heard about his reference to the flag. For you bleeding heart libs out there that did see it, did you know that he compared our nation to the likes of Syria, Cuba and others when a bill came up against flag burning? Did you know he was one of a few senators that voted against a bill to ban flag burning? And he has the nerve to make a point to preach to everyone about respecting the flag.
5. JK wrote a book about the US going to war in Vietnam. Did you know that on the cover of that book, there was a mock picture of the Marines planting the flag at Iwo Jima, where the Marines had hippy long hair, and the flag was upside down?
6. In his speech he said that he will gain the respect of other nations. Well, if you want the French's permission when it's time to defend our nation, then there's something fundamentally wrong with you. This is the same country that spit on our soldiers and hung up signs that said "Yankee Go Home" AFTER we liberated them from the Germans. If we would depend on the French or the UN for that matter when it's time to defend ourselves, then our country would be weakened.

The list goes on and on and on about how this guy takes both sides of every issue. Do you want to vote for a guy because he says what you want to hear, then does something else? Or do you want to vote for a guy that has the guts to stand by his convictions, politics be damned.

Please tell me why only 1 soldier on his PT boat is supporting his candidacy? Where are the rest of them? There is a web site called http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com. You should check it out.

Kerry even changed his name when he was a young adult so that his initials would be JFK. I think his last name was Cullins or something like that.

He is as fake as fake can get. Please, before you vote, spend some time researching this guys record in the Senate for the past 20 years. You will find that he has flip-flopped on just about every issue.

And if you can be swayed by a guy that gives a speech on the things you want to hear, and spend no time looking at what he is really about, then I say you fall into that "stupid vote" category.

[foghorn]

Hey, I said there's a lot you can bash Kerry for, and I'm willing to do that. I truly believe the guy is a genuine hero, but it bothers me that a lot of vets are against him. I also don't care for a lot of his voting record. I spent an afternoon examining it before the whole campaign started.

The problem is so many of Bushies can't even begin to be objective about their man and discuss his mistakes. Maybe we might like to tell the French and the Germans and anyone else for that matter to take a flying fudgecicle, but the fact remains it's a small world anymore. Bush and crew have done an amazing job of alienating the United State from almost everyone. Diplomacy often fails, but first you have to make an effort at it. Doesn't it bother you that our country is universally hated, even as millions still want to come here?

Kerry was acting upon information presented to him and the rest of Congress. Misleading and bad information, by the way. Some Dems would have us believe that Bush knowingly manipulated that bad intel. I choose to believe that he was misled too. My problem with Bush is that he's surrounded by too many people who have their own agendas.

Most politicians spend a lot of their time telling people exactly what they want to hear. Those that don't, don't get re-elected.

I talked to a diehard GOP guy the other day who said that Kerry was too rich, to upper class, too snooty, blah blah blah. I said that W fit that same description. The response: "Yeah, but I like Bush's accent better."

Now that's a stupid vote.

[LionPride]

[quote="foghorn";p="56604"]but it bothers me that a lot of vets are against him. [/quote]

Try fighting a war in another country, only to have a fellow soldier come back and accuse you of war atrocities, which by the way, Kerry admitted to committing himself. You probably wouldn't be too fond of the guy either. And you want to call him a hero? Everyone is quick to call Bush a war criminal, which is far from the truth, but the Dems have a war criminal sitting in their back pocket. He admitted, on tape, to burning villages and firing in no fire zones.

You want Bush's record - try the fastest growing economy in 20 years. Try 1.5 million jobs created in the past 9 months. How was your last tax return? Mine was pretty darn good, plus I got a nice $600 bonus last summer. You did too if pay taxes. And you paid less taxes overall. And don't take the Dem party line of only the rich got tax breaks. That's bogus and everyone knows it. The rich got their share, but they paid a heck of a lot more than the rest of us. Why is it that everyone else deserves the rich people's money? Didn't they earn it? Don't you have the same opportunity to do the same? And don't think for a minute that Kerry won't come after your wallet once he's done with anyone making over 200k per year. He'd never get elected if he said he was rolling back all the tax cuts. But he will do it, IF he gets elected.

Let me ask, doesn't it scare you a little that Kerry would never make a preemptive strike against a dangerous country? He would rather wait until they attacked us, because it's the political safe thing to do. That is a man looking out for himself, not his country. Why do you think the French were against this war? It's because they knew they were dealing with Iraq when they weren't supposed to and they were bound to lose a lot of $$. You want a country like that as an ally? I don't.

You're a die hard liberal and I'm sure you're part of Michael Moore's fan club. BTW, if you don't believe that was fiction, the AP just reported tonight that a newspaper is demanding an apology because he "edited" the copy he showed on the screen. I'll never convince you of the truth - it's a waste of time. Hopefully others that read this and are of voting age will see through the fakeness, the smokescreen, and the political rhetoric that is the Democratic party.

[CRLionDawg]

This is better than "Crossfire". Keep it up Foghorn and Lionpride. Each of you represent your political corner quite well.

I really do not have anything of substance to add here beyond what has already been stated.

Thank you for your thoughtful debate.

[Captain Coveman]

I thought it was terrible of him to mention families buying kevlar vests when he himself voted against the funding for the troops to receive them. Other than that, same old song and dance from an old politician.

[Anonymous]

LionPride, Once again I give you attaboys! You echo my thoughts and express them even better than I can. Someday maybe we can get together and discuss general topics over an adult beverage or other type. Avote for Kerry/ Edwards is a vote FOR abortion, FOR higher taxes, FOR less personal freedoms and more government running your life, etc., etc.

[WarriorTennis05]

Did anyone watch the speech on CNN? They had an open mic for the co-ordinator for the event. He had some "interesting" remarks when the balloons weren't falling as expected. Druge Report has the audio from it.