Call me Insane

[TheAnalyst]

I forgot to mention that the guy who interviewed Sheen said on CNN that polls show 90% of Americans believe the gov't was involved with 9/11. Anyone have any idea where that number came from?

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[LionPride]

[quote="TheAnalyst";p="120487"]Anyone have any idea where that number came from?[/quote]

California

[once a runner]

John Roberts had one of the most extensive records of judicial experience in the Circuit Courts of anyone to be on the Court.

It wasn't an awful decision, but I don't think it was a good one either. I'm sure there you'll find fellow conservatives on this board who also said as much.

Sure, entirely all of Bushs' fault. Never mind the fiasco known as the media coverage of the whole thing.

Bush admitted fault with the Katrina response, what more needs to be said. Even if the media overly dramatized what happened, it doesn't change the fact that Bush's response the disaster was horrible.


Let's tackle these one by one.

(1) Campaign Finance reform. - The problems with campaign reform still exist in a big way, they did not even come close to tackling the major issues.

(2) Tax cuts for everyone who pays taxes. - Yep, he did that right at the beginning of his presidency.


(3) Medicare Part D (perscription drugs) - It was passed, but is it any good? NO!


(4) No Child Left Behind (even drunken Teddy Kennedy sponsored that legislation). - One would have to be drunk to vote for that piece of crap legislation.


(5) Afghanistan is far more of a stable country and ally then it has been in the past twenty years. - I agree, I had no problem with attacking the Taliban there. I think we should have put more troops there.

(6) Sarbanes-Oxley (corporate accountability act, again with the support of Democrats) - no argument.


(7) Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. - no argument, I'm pro-life.

) The Patriot Act - on paper it's ok, but I just don't trust that it's always used to protect us.

(9) CAFTA, The Central American Free Trade Agreement. - i was against NAFTA as well. I think the working class American comes out on the short end of the stick with these laws.

(10) The recent treaty with India. - Was Peru busy that day? It's all very nice and good, but hardly a big deal.


(11) The Department of Homeland Security (the largest reorganization of the bureaucracy since the New Deal, again, with support of Democrats). Gee, after 9/11 even Jimmy Carter would have no problem getting that passed.


You can blame the democrats all you want for social security, but the bottom line is that if Bush could have just convinced everyone in his own party that his idea was any good, it would have passed.

The bottom line is that Bush couldn't even line up his own party.

I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone who does precision demolition, they will say you just don't pack explosives into the bottom of a building and set them off. Rather, key components and pieces of the infrastructure must be removed in order to get the building (especially one the size of the WTC) to come down in a heap.

And I'm pretty sure that when a jumbo jet hits the ground, regardless of the speed, there will be pieces of that plane lying around

[TheAnalyst]

So what is your theory here? There was no plane at all? Please elaborate.

[LionPride]

The government must have planted all those papers from the plane that were found as far away as New Baltimore as well :roll:

I know it's been 4.5 years now, but it seems to me that I recall them pull pieces of the plane from the ground.

[once a runner]

[quote="TheAnalyst";p="120497"]So what is your theory here? There was no plane at all? Please elaborate.[/quote]
There are several theories as to what might have happened. It could have been shot down or there was a bomb on board seem to be the most prevalent alternative ideas.

Supposing the plane came straight down and incinerated all the tons of steel, how could flying paper debris have survived? Wouldn't it had to have come out before the crash?

LP, they did find one major part of the plane. It was a one ton engine. The only thing is, it wasn't found by the crash site. How did that one major piece get so far away from the rest of the plane?

Why was the flight data recorder kept hush-hush for so long? There are witnesses who saw another plane present. There are witnesses who claim to have heard explosions before impact.

I don't claim to know what happened, but I don't think the story we were given by the government wasn't necessarily the whole truth. In my mind, there are still a lot of questions regarding the crash.

[frostlion]

[quote="once a runner";p="120495"]
It wasn't an awful decision, but I don't think it was a good one either. I'm sure there you'll find fellow conservatives on this board who also said as much.
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I sure would like to know why they feel this way. Roberts and Alito, in my opinion, will be two of the most solid conservatives on the bench since Scalia.


Back to the issues:

What are the major problems with campaign fianance reform, and how has McCain Feingold not even come close?

You must have quite the Magic 8 ball, Medicare part D has not even taken effect yet: they are still in a period of enrollment. So to say "...but is it any good? NO" might be jumping the gun a tad.

Funny about the Dept. of Homeland Security and the "ease" in getting it passed. Many Democrats objected and voted against it, Max Cleland of GA and Bobby Byrd of WV, to name a few. It was clearly not a 100-0 vote in the Senate.

The whole fiasco with the Social Security reform was a result of the same type of politics the Democrats have been playing for the last thirty years. Their playbook is simple. Scare enough people, namely senior citizens, blacks, the poor, etc, into thinking that the Republicans will make you worse off (even though we as Democrats are not going to do one thing about your problems). As long as the Democrats can scare enough old people to think that the Republicans will destroy social security and that check won't be in the bank, nothing will ever be done and it will bankrupt the country.

[Lemmy]

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

I guess the wind blew a different direction...

Afghanistan is stable, freedom loving, and a democracy.... What about this trial??? When do our troops leave to invade Iraq?

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- Senior Muslim clerics are demanding that an Afghan man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity be executed, warning that if the government caves in to Western pressure and frees him, they will incite people to "pull him into pieces."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html


There will always be conspiracy theories..... The Lincoln Assination was masterminded by Secratary of War Stanton by the way.... JFK was killed by the Mafia. Send me $5 and all your dreams will come true

The liberul websites I frequent called Charlie Sheen an idiot.

[frostlion]

[quote="Lemmy";p="120519"]
I guess the wind blew a different direction...
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Uh, no. The key thing with DHS was coordination, as your quotes point out. The debate was over just that; should we (1) create a new cabinet level department just simply to add yet another set of hoops, or (2) create a new cabinet level department that coordinates all existing security agencies.

Bush opposed option (1), the initial response, but supported (2), the one that became reality.

I just love how the left and media in this country thinks that long-lasting democratic governments can be created by waving the magic wand or clicking the ruby red slippers. It would have been interesting to see if the United States would have ever lasted following the Revolution, specifically during the tribulation under the Articles of Confederation, if they had the press and lunacy we have in this country today.

In this country it took us the better part of a decade to get it right, and we have since changed our Constitution nearly 20 times to fine tune it. Yet the left thinks that perfect governments and democracies can be built in months. All it takes is just "more troops" or "working more closely with the French and Germans", or (my personal favorite) "a plan for victory in Iraq."

Yet ask people like the lovely Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid, or that idiot Robert Byrd what their plan for victory is. Their response: absolutely nothing of any substance. Ask any reporter what should be done in Iraq, the response: "Well, we should not have disbanded the Iraqi Army." Gee thanks. WHAT SHOULD WE DO NOW? Again, no response or ideas of substance other than along the lines of "more troops" and a "plan for victory."

Someone a lot smarter than me once said "Put up or shut up." I would love to see the lovely Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and that idiot Bobby Byrd either grow enough sack to put up, or go back to do what they do best: pandering to the left and fools like Barbara Streisand and Charlie Sheen, or in the case of Bobby Byrd, paving all of West Virginia.

[Gunner18]

I love how he said that it was like a controlled demolition and that there were bombs in the basement. The reason the towers fell the way they did is because of the location that they were hit...up high...because there was not that much of the building above the crash sight, there was not enough room for it to topple so it fell straight down, bringing the rest of the building with it, had the terrorists hit alot closer to the bottom of the towers, then there would have been alot of "freefalling" building that would have then started to fall sideways causing much MUCH more damage than what it did.