Re: Common Sense
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kingdomofcrush07
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Re: Common Sense
It's is time to revist the coaches corner and see where Coach Salem stands on the issues discussed by User
“Based upon our enrollment and projected numbers for the future, we don’t plan to play at a higher classification for the next cycle,” Salem said.
On the surface, there seems to be a few problems associated with this solution. First, conventional knowledge would tell us that a high-concentration of talent would make for a less competitive league. However, the numbers might tell us differently. If we are to argue competitiveness, we must first decide just what is competitive. For argument’s sake, I will define games within a two touchdown margin “competitive.” In 2007, 57% of LHAC games were decided by more than 14 points. Thus, on average only 4 of 9 games are competitive. The 10th game is of no relevant value, because it may or may not be competitive depending on who is scheduled. However, a state-championship run is typically 6-games. These 6 games, in theory, are scheduled against the top 68 teams in the state. Hence, a state-championship caliber team would, in theory, play more competitive games against better competition. In this case, talent is relative on the aforementioned state-wide level. In addition, while the modern LHAC team averages 4 competitive games per season, it is likely to assume that without top athletes, LHAC teams would be more competitive on a local level. Thus, a high-concentration of talent makes for a more competitive schedule for all teams.
I guess it is safe to say that you were one of the ones who voted for you guys to move up last year on the team vote and lobbied your classmates to do the same, it does indeed seem that mccort moving to class A will make the league much softer.
Also user I understand that you wanted to write a persuasive essay with your audience being those who are faced with the problem which I interpret to be 8th graders and their respective parents (who ultimately are responsible for determining if they have D-1 ability because they are paying the 20Gs), but could you make give us the Budweiser cold hard facts of the essay? A cliff notes model where we can actually see where you stand. It seems that student is becoming master and you are hiding behind a facade of big words. I will take you up on your earlier offer of
I'm pretty sure that I've addressed any problem you've all had in my 1st post, but I'll gladly quote myself if it helps... List the important and revelent points of your essay and dont answer every question with I am not concerned with past or present or whatever because that just makes it seem like you only like to hear yourself talk, but maybe I'm wrong?
One last question, will mccort field a wrestling team this year?
“Based upon our enrollment and projected numbers for the future, we don’t plan to play at a higher classification for the next cycle,” Salem said.
On the surface, there seems to be a few problems associated with this solution. First, conventional knowledge would tell us that a high-concentration of talent would make for a less competitive league. However, the numbers might tell us differently. If we are to argue competitiveness, we must first decide just what is competitive. For argument’s sake, I will define games within a two touchdown margin “competitive.” In 2007, 57% of LHAC games were decided by more than 14 points. Thus, on average only 4 of 9 games are competitive. The 10th game is of no relevant value, because it may or may not be competitive depending on who is scheduled. However, a state-championship run is typically 6-games. These 6 games, in theory, are scheduled against the top 68 teams in the state. Hence, a state-championship caliber team would, in theory, play more competitive games against better competition. In this case, talent is relative on the aforementioned state-wide level. In addition, while the modern LHAC team averages 4 competitive games per season, it is likely to assume that without top athletes, LHAC teams would be more competitive on a local level. Thus, a high-concentration of talent makes for a more competitive schedule for all teams.
I guess it is safe to say that you were one of the ones who voted for you guys to move up last year on the team vote and lobbied your classmates to do the same, it does indeed seem that mccort moving to class A will make the league much softer.
Also user I understand that you wanted to write a persuasive essay with your audience being those who are faced with the problem which I interpret to be 8th graders and their respective parents (who ultimately are responsible for determining if they have D-1 ability because they are paying the 20Gs), but could you make give us the Budweiser cold hard facts of the essay? A cliff notes model where we can actually see where you stand. It seems that student is becoming master and you are hiding behind a facade of big words. I will take you up on your earlier offer of
I'm pretty sure that I've addressed any problem you've all had in my 1st post, but I'll gladly quote myself if it helps... List the important and revelent points of your essay and dont answer every question with I am not concerned with past or present or whatever because that just makes it seem like you only like to hear yourself talk, but maybe I'm wrong?
One last question, will mccort field a wrestling team this year?
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Re: Common Sense
Just watch this video and everyone relax a little....
Re: Common Sense
WTR, that's Priceless.....better than my T-Shirt of the 5 yr old who has learned to flip the bird to the Browns!
I have to say thank you to me ..." for not being stupid enough to go to Penn State."
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kingdomofcrush07
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Re: Common Sense
"it is my hope that Johnstown could return to the football-greatness of the past" user greatness is an ambiguous term, some would say that the level of competition and the fervor that our area fans have for football is something great. What specific greatness do you want us the johnstown area to return? We used to have a bigger population because of the steel mills and Johnstown High used to graduate 500 or whatever. Our kids and our football are no less great, just because the schools we have currently are not dominating at their current classification with our current district boundaries does not mean there is not greatness...Tyrone found a level of greatness in 2000 with their magical run and had a player bust his freaking as for 4 years at Pitt to become a special teams captain and finally earn a scholarship! Ryan Regula walked on at Pitt for football and run track their as well. He was a student athlete that made mccort proud and eventually went on to ND and ran track as well as earning many academic accolades including being selected as a finalist for the Marshall scholarship. My point high school athletics are way to teach kids about teamwork, hard work, sacrifice, overcoming the odds, learning from defeat, winning with class, making friends, giving kids a chance to do something special with all their friends, and an oppurtunity to one day reach a level of greatness. McCort may be the best option for these kids if it is a school that will put getting kids to the next level above the team with a win at all cost attitude. And by win I mean get kids D-1. I hope that the kids in high school do not spend as much time posting and writing as you do, because it will only mess up thier heads listening to young kids convoluted ideas of football greatness. Football greatness has nothing to do with what level you make it to or even about wins and loses its about how you play the game that is why I love football because no matter where your from or what position you play or how you look if you bust your butt theres a place for you on any team!
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Re: Common Sense
I think of football as a little example of life. As a coach, you have players comming and going just everything in this life comes and goes. Life is short, football life is even shorter. Even from 4th grade to 12th, its not that long of a time to waste, make every moment count. Everyone bases success off of different accomplishments (graduating from medical school, being a millionare, having a loving family). What matters not are the successes we may accomplish but how we go about it. If you work your hardest and reach your potential how can anyone deny you that self-respect that you've earned? What this has to do with Common Sense, im not sure, but to tie in with KofC's post is that it truely is "how you play the game". Some athletes take the short cut(steriods) some work their hardest all year around, in the long run, the one who takes the easy route home won't 'accomplish' as much as the one who when the honest route. This is my most favorite poem maybe ever writen:
When you get what you want in your struggle for pelf,
And the world makes you King for a day,
Then go to the mirror and look at yourself,
And see what that guy has to say.
For it isn't your Father, or Mother, or Wife,
Who judgement upon you must pass.
The feller whose verdict counts most in your life
Is the guy staring back from the glass.
He's the feller to please, never mind all the rest,
For he's with you clear up to the end,
And you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test
If the guy in the glass is your friend.
You may be like Jack Horner and "chisel" a plum,
And think you're a wonderful guy,
But the man in the glass says you're only a bum
If you can't look him straight in the eye.
You can fool the whole world down the pathway of years,
And get pats on the back as you pass,
But your final reward will be heartaches and tears
If you've cheated the guy in the glass.
When you get what you want in your struggle for pelf,
And the world makes you King for a day,
Then go to the mirror and look at yourself,
And see what that guy has to say.
For it isn't your Father, or Mother, or Wife,
Who judgement upon you must pass.
The feller whose verdict counts most in your life
Is the guy staring back from the glass.
He's the feller to please, never mind all the rest,
For he's with you clear up to the end,
And you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test
If the guy in the glass is your friend.
You may be like Jack Horner and "chisel" a plum,
And think you're a wonderful guy,
But the man in the glass says you're only a bum
If you can't look him straight in the eye.
You can fool the whole world down the pathway of years,
And get pats on the back as you pass,
But your final reward will be heartaches and tears
If you've cheated the guy in the glass.
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Re: Common Sense
Just for fun, let's say that all the best local talent reads Username's essay and has an epiphany and decides that it's only common sense to attend McCort. How many competitive league games will BM have? For 9 games each season, the Crushers literally get to crush the opponents. How does that prepare them for the state tournament?
You can argue that the best players practicing against each other each day will make them better, and that has some merit. However, there is nothing like the competition of the game. In games, there will be no competition. What generally happens in a blowout? A coach takes out his starters and plays the subs. The starters now are getting to play how much of each game? Possibly a half or 3 quarters? Meanwhile, the backups are thinking they could actually be playing on Friday if we stayed in our home district.
As far as getting scholarship money goes, playing against inferior competition week in and week out is not going to help your case. Suppose a college recruiter finds 2 similar players....one from the LHAC and the other from the WPIAL. Guess which one has the advantage landing the scholarship? He knows the WPIAL kid has played top competition all season and not spent it running up their states against weaker teams. There is a reason why just about any starter on a AAAA WPIAL team will get more looks than kids who play in small school conferences. Playing alongside the best players in your area instead of against them is not going to make you a better player. As college coach do you want a kid who has been tested by good competition or one who is on a team that has weak competition?
You can argue that the best players practicing against each other each day will make them better, and that has some merit. However, there is nothing like the competition of the game. In games, there will be no competition. What generally happens in a blowout? A coach takes out his starters and plays the subs. The starters now are getting to play how much of each game? Possibly a half or 3 quarters? Meanwhile, the backups are thinking they could actually be playing on Friday if we stayed in our home district.
As far as getting scholarship money goes, playing against inferior competition week in and week out is not going to help your case. Suppose a college recruiter finds 2 similar players....one from the LHAC and the other from the WPIAL. Guess which one has the advantage landing the scholarship? He knows the WPIAL kid has played top competition all season and not spent it running up their states against weaker teams. There is a reason why just about any starter on a AAAA WPIAL team will get more looks than kids who play in small school conferences. Playing alongside the best players in your area instead of against them is not going to make you a better player. As college coach do you want a kid who has been tested by good competition or one who is on a team that has weak competition?
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Re: Common Sense
User6 I was not refering to you in my post, I was refering to vad1. I like your line of thinking and you need not explain yourself to me. I think our area has the same problem in all sports, not just football. Every school has a few stand outs and it would be great to see them play together. I realize football has Lantzy, hockey has the PIAA All star game, ect, ect but this is one game and it is hard to get any tempo to these games when you only go around once. Seeing this problem being openly discussed is a step in the right direction if everyone thinks positive.
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Re: Common Sense
So are you saying a guys who are solid starters on their own team don't work hard in practice? If you don't have the work ethic to work hard in high school practice then how do you think you are going to fare at the college level? The best kids are often the best kids because they have the work ethic to become outstanding players. They didn't just coast along once their position was locked up. There is no doubt there are some players who do coast in practice, but these are not the ones who go on to play in college. Even if by chance they do play in college, they will be washed away quickly without a proper work ethic.
When a team is up big, doesn't a coach pull the starters? Suppose a kid goes to BM with visions of grandeur and scholarship money only to find himself on the bench behind other local stars. Obviously with all the talent in one place, some very good athletes will not see the field. You don't think those kids will question their decision to leave their home district?
A team certainly needs to be the best in their area to win a state title, but not necessarily dominate. The WPIAL AAAA is often competitive, but yet the often produce the team state champion. Intense competition within their conferences and district drives these teams to become the best in the state. If a team can win the WPIAL they know they have a realistic shot to win state. If you play in a poor league year in and year out, it will be difficult to raise that bar to where you need to be on the state level.
Attracting all the best athletes to BM to play football is obviously what's best for McCort. I'm sure Westmont, Richland, Johnstown, etc. would love to have the option to do likewise. My argument is that attracting all the best players to one school is not what is best for football in this area. I would rather see a high level of competition and seeing a team make a run to the state finals when everything comes together. Teams like Tyrone and Forest Hills proved this was possible. You propose we should have one great team in the area (BM) in hopes that they can become regulars in the state finals while lowering the quality and competitiveness of all the other teams. In my opinion, that is not what high school athletics should be about and don't think it's in the best interest for our football fans and players.
When a team is up big, doesn't a coach pull the starters? Suppose a kid goes to BM with visions of grandeur and scholarship money only to find himself on the bench behind other local stars. Obviously with all the talent in one place, some very good athletes will not see the field. You don't think those kids will question their decision to leave their home district?
A team certainly needs to be the best in their area to win a state title, but not necessarily dominate. The WPIAL AAAA is often competitive, but yet the often produce the team state champion. Intense competition within their conferences and district drives these teams to become the best in the state. If a team can win the WPIAL they know they have a realistic shot to win state. If you play in a poor league year in and year out, it will be difficult to raise that bar to where you need to be on the state level.
Attracting all the best athletes to BM to play football is obviously what's best for McCort. I'm sure Westmont, Richland, Johnstown, etc. would love to have the option to do likewise. My argument is that attracting all the best players to one school is not what is best for football in this area. I would rather see a high level of competition and seeing a team make a run to the state finals when everything comes together. Teams like Tyrone and Forest Hills proved this was possible. You propose we should have one great team in the area (BM) in hopes that they can become regulars in the state finals while lowering the quality and competitiveness of all the other teams. In my opinion, that is not what high school athletics should be about and don't think it's in the best interest for our football fans and players.
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Re: Common Sense
Theres no point in arguing when everyone has different viewpoints on the subject. For 7 pages now User has given supportive examples to his very thorough essay. Lets drop it! Sure its been fun arguing over for the past week or so, but lets bag this topic considering no one has been able to state reasons why it wouldnt work, instead everyone says negative consequences, which are not facts that it wouldnt work. Im seeing the light User! (but i still dont like the idea)
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Re: Common Sense
Well usually one 'side' is persuaded one way or the other, in this case neither 'side' seems to be goin in either direction(tho i do see some logic). Kinda like beatin a dead horse if you ask me...