BCS Bowl Still on PSU's Horizon

[Former Wildcat]

The problem isn't that Penn State didn't play anyone. It is that they didn't beat anyone. When Northwestern is your best win, you can not say you have a really good football team. They also lost their two biggest games at home by double digits.

Now, you can say that the schedule was made up years ago, but I don't remember Akron, Temple, or Eastern Illinois being good then. Syracuse certainly was not a world-beater. In fact, Temple is the second-best win that the Nits have. If anything, Penn State was lucky that Temple was much better than they usually are. Otherwise, they would have only one win over a team with a winning record.

To compare, Texas has already beaten four BCS teams with winning records and plays another in the Big 12 championship game. They have a 27 point road win over a 9-2 team. Texas has played a better schedule than PSU and has performed better. Not sure how you can say Texas has not played a quality team all season. Oklahoma State is probably better than Penn State and Texas beat them on the road.

[The Ancient Enemy]

Akron was one of the best teams in the MAC when that was scheduled. The Syracuse renewal was right after their BCS season.

Next year, PSU plays Alabama. Miami, Rutgers are coming up.

This year... You can't even defend the schedule other than saying Alabama pushed the series back.

But, here we go again. Its Penn State's fault that Michigan State was supposed to challenge for the conference and they didn't? Its somehow PSUs fault that Illinois was supposed to be the darkhorse and they weren't? Its not Penn State's responsibility to drive to Minneapolis and teach the Minnesota linemen how to diet and do exercises.

You can eliminate this irrational argument by forcing teams to play 1 quality OOC game and by having a dang playoff.

[shocker]

One thing both sides certainly should agree on, is that "IF" psu gets chosen for the orange bowl, they will not be the best team representing the big 11. Maybe the best traveled team, alumni, etc., etc, but not the best football team. It's a shame college football is this way. But Iowa deserves it over psu. You can argue that Iowa isn't the better football team. I know $ talks and that is what the bowls are about, but as a psu fan, you gotta have a little bit of guilty feeling knowing a team that beat you up, is playing in a lesser bowl game.

Wait and see, maybe the orange committee will have a surprise in store for us.

All we can hope for (if psu gets picked) is that joepa poops himself from too much orange pulp, and psu gets embarassed like they did last year in the rose bowl.

[The Ancient Enemy]

You cannot even use the word "deserve" though. This is NOT a playoff! Those bowls have NEVER taken teams based on some kind of "deserving" requirement. They are private businesses, just like your grandfather's little shoe store in Portage. It is THAT simple. The only agreement they have is that they will take TWO TEAMS in the top 14 of the final BCS standings. If you are looking at this from a "deserving" standpoint, you are making things up.

You say Iowa is the best team, not counting Ohio State. Are they? Why are they? Because they beat an overrated Arizona team? I counter that with a loss to NW, 2 blocked FGs to beat Northern Iowa, and beating a bad MSU on the last play of the game.

I'm not fishing for an extended argument, but I am not at all convinced that Iowa is a better team than Penn State. This is a team that was the recipient of numerous calls this season, and numerous instances of nothing but luck. They could easily have 5-6 losses. Like I said... not trying to get people riled up, but I have seen essentially every Iowa game this year, and this is a team that is playing way above their level of talent. If they get into a BCS game, I can almost guarantee you they get murdered.

[shocker]

speaking of paps store, lets put the shoe on the other foot. If your nitters were to get overlooked because of a lack of fan base would you not cry??

And....I do believe that head to head Iowa is the better team...spin all you want.

oh and one more thing, maybe all the reasons you nit wits say you are more deserving than Iowa, are the same reasons back in the '90's when you all cried about Nebraska going to the national title game. :shock:

[shocker]

It is both amazing and disturbing that this team has a chance to play in a BCS game. Penn State in 2009 is yet another example of how unfair this system really is.

Is TAE saying psu doesnt 'deserve' this???

You cannot even use the word "deserve" though. This is NOT a playoff! Those bowls have NEVER taken teams based on some kind of "deserving" requirement. They are private businesses, just like your grandfather's little shoe store in Portage. It is THAT simple. The only agreement they have is that they will take TWO TEAMS in the top 14 of the final BCS standings. If you are looking at this from a "deserving" standpoint, you are making things up.

You say Iowa is the best team, not counting Ohio State. Are they? Why are they? Because they beat an overrated Arizona team? I counter that with a loss to NW, 2 blocked FGs to beat Northern Iowa, and beating a bad MSU on the last play of the game.



I'm not fishing for an extended argument, but I am not at all convinced that Iowa is a better team than Penn State. This is a team that was the recipient of numerous calls this season, and numerous instances of nothing but luck. They could easily have 5-6 losses. Like I said... not trying to get people riled up, but I have seen essentially every Iowa game this year, and this is a team that is playing way above their level of talent. If they get into a BCS game, I can almost guarantee you they get murdered.

TAE changing his tune and trying to justify why psu "might possibly' get picked for the orange bowl.

[shocker]

Why is a B10 fan arguing that another B10 team shouldnt get an at-large? I guess he doesnt understand that the conference shares bowl revenue. 32 million vs 16 million. You should be rooting for Penn State, doogie.

"They don't deserve it". Neither does Iowa, pardner.

As for PSU and Boise... I'd rather see them play Boise than TCU or Alabama, that's for sure.

So pardner - tell us how Iowa doesn't deserve it?? Didnt YOU say the BCS is open to the top 14 teams?? Or are the anti nitters the only ones who cant say "deserve"?

[The Ancient Enemy]

Penn State deserves it because they are a better profit.

Iowa deserves it because they beat Penn State head to head.

Once again, I ask... who would YOU take? Remember: Your profits have been dwindling in comparison to your competitors. Do you take the moral high road, or are you looking for a paycheck?

Still... I just do not think this Iowa team is all that great. I think Penn State's staff inherently forces their players to underachieve. When you look at Joe's bowl record, I think Penn State should be the team that the B10 fans should want in that game. That's just my opinion, looking at both objectively. I really do not think Iowa's offense is worth a ****. They put up a horrible offensive performance against a terrible Minnesota team this past weekend. They've had a bad offense all season. They have a defense who is playing way above their talent level. Now... with a month break... which team do you think has a better chance? Team A: who has a coach who is always well prepared in bowl games, and a team who has an underachieving offense and a top 10 defense. Or, team B, who has virtually no offense, and is definitely playing well above their level of talent and is a "charmed team". Do you really think that charm will last another 6 weeks?

I'm just trying to be honest here. I think Ohio State can beat Oregon or Oregon State. I have a feeling Iowa gets exposed, just like I said they would all season. They lost that NW game, and should have lost 4-5 more. Why, you ask? Because they are not very good.

[abpk2903]

I think last year proved that head to head has no impact on bowl selection. I remember a Texas team beating Oklahoma by double digits at a neutral site, finishing with the same record, and going to a lesser bowl game. I don't think many people from Oklahoma felt "guilty."

[shocker]

Since the BCS is all about the $ and getting teams who will bolster revenue, then why won't the bigger and better bowls go after psu year in and year out?? Since we can't say a team is "deserving" because of record, and they are looking at the $ end of it, then why isn't psu being looked at every year for a big bowl?

Why have a BCS ranking system? Any nit wit fan who remotely thinks psu is "deserving" of an orange bowl bid is out of their mind!

Next time the nitters bring up the year they got "screwed" by Nebraska and the pollsters, I hope they remember this year, "IF" they beat out Iowa for a better bowl.