9/30/2011
Re: 9/30/2011
Just logged on here and happened to catch this conversation. I was at the Richland/McCort game the other night because I have a relative playing for Richland and wanted to see what all the hype was about this "Mcruit" team. Just wondering, which players were recruited? They didn't have that many kids on the team, maybe 25 if that. I heard the coach is a newbie. He sure is wet behind the ears taking a knee before the half. My wife even laughed at that one.
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joy_land_dancer
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Re: 9/30/2011
Those 50 recruited kids are all there to play football...what would happen if McCort played Altoona or State College? I'm with Eagle Alum on that one.mc29012 wrote:Eaglealum wrote:They should have their own classification or all be in AAAA...period. Wouldn't matter much to the "non-sports" privates, but the ones enjoying the current system would be the ones to have a problem with it.
Yeah, BC with it's whopping 50 kids in each class should play AAAA, that almost makes sense....
Here is an interesting article that a guy wrote about Public/Private schools in California. It looks like a few other states are starting to separate public/private schools for playoffs to slow down the number of transfers.
http://www.redding.com/news/2010/mar/11 ... t-compete/
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Re: 9/30/2011
This is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said on this site.spectater wrote:Just wondering, which players were recruited?
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Eagle raised a legitimate issue, which I have raised MANY times:
PUBLIC schools are forced to include the enrollment of any HS if they accept students from another high school on their athletic teams.
Why aren't private schools held to the same standard?
I say make all private schools play AAAA. then we will see how McCruit measures up against AAAA schools night in and night out. I mean, if McCruit thinks they're so great, you think they'd WANT to play in AAAA against the best!
..WAIT, McCruit already did that when they entered the MAC in basketball, along with Carroll and Guilfoyle back in the late 1980s...It took about 1-2 seasons and a bunch of 30-40 point beatings from Altoona, State College, and Hollidaysburg snd McCruit (and Carroll, BG stayed a few seasons longer) was out of that league quicker than grain through a goose.
PUBLIC schools are forced to include the enrollment of any HS if they accept students from another high school on their athletic teams.
Why aren't private schools held to the same standard?
I say make all private schools play AAAA. then we will see how McCruit measures up against AAAA schools night in and night out. I mean, if McCruit thinks they're so great, you think they'd WANT to play in AAAA against the best!
..WAIT, McCruit already did that when they entered the MAC in basketball, along with Carroll and Guilfoyle back in the late 1980s...It took about 1-2 seasons and a bunch of 30-40 point beatings from Altoona, State College, and Hollidaysburg snd McCruit (and Carroll, BG stayed a few seasons longer) was out of that league quicker than grain through a goose.
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I think Johnstown should have to count every kid that lives in Johnstown and goes to McCort. And any school at that.
I mean if we want things both ways, it would only be fair. If catholic schools should account for kids that do not go their school, than public schools should do the same.
Heck, if that happened that may force Forest Hills into AAA? You know what, I bet ya Don actually pays tuition for a few kids at McCort so he can stay AA.
The whole playing AAAA is so dumb, and I've said it time and time again, Bishop McCort is held in regard in the same sense as the Philly Catholic league, which is idiotic on so many levels. McCort, Carroll, and Guilfoyle are tiny schools. BC is heading towards extinction and McCort is dropping at a rapid rate. I mean the fact that they went from regularly having 50+ kids on the football team to 30 just like that, and it isn't getting any better soon.
The problem is, people complain about Catholic schools playing up, why not just do the LOGICAL thing, and merge and close schools that are too small and not competitive? What are we gaining by having 5 high schools within Johnstown? And another 5-6 within a few miles? This isn't a densely populated area. Altoona has two big high schools, Johnstown should do the same. Its also inexcusable to have 10 or however many schools in Somerset county, just for the sake of having them. The area is NOT getting any bigger and I fear its going to keep getting really small, teams are getting less and less competitive with the rest of the state. "A" teams are looking more and more like JV and freshmen teams now. Its sad, and as a proud sports fan and supporter of this area, It sucks. We have no growth. We have nothing to point to. The fact that Fort Hill is one of the 25 smallest schools in Maryland, and they would be in AAA in Pennsylvania is alarming. Other states are recognizing it, why does PA hang out to old sentimental things like this? Its a part of the reason why there is a declining population rate. This old school, make sure everyone has power thing is annoying. And thats the biggest issue, its not Catholic schools, its the living in the past mentality. Its a joke that people are seriously worried about a "A" Catholic school in Johnstown, and thinking them playing AAAA will make everything better in the world. So making Bishop Carroll with less than 300 kids in the whole school playing AAAA, so Blacklick Valley can have a better chance is the answer? I know that is not the answer, and I would hope you would know that is not the answer. Its tough because everyone has loyalties to their schools and all, and I get that. But by merging schools as an area, we will have better chances stadewide, and will have the opportunity to see better quality of athletics. Than for the people that want to stick it to McCort, Carroll, and Guilfoyle for one reason or another, they would get their wish because they would be the smallest teams in the area, and would essentially have to play "up"
But we all have our opinions.
I mean if we want things both ways, it would only be fair. If catholic schools should account for kids that do not go their school, than public schools should do the same.
Heck, if that happened that may force Forest Hills into AAA? You know what, I bet ya Don actually pays tuition for a few kids at McCort so he can stay AA.
The whole playing AAAA is so dumb, and I've said it time and time again, Bishop McCort is held in regard in the same sense as the Philly Catholic league, which is idiotic on so many levels. McCort, Carroll, and Guilfoyle are tiny schools. BC is heading towards extinction and McCort is dropping at a rapid rate. I mean the fact that they went from regularly having 50+ kids on the football team to 30 just like that, and it isn't getting any better soon.
The problem is, people complain about Catholic schools playing up, why not just do the LOGICAL thing, and merge and close schools that are too small and not competitive? What are we gaining by having 5 high schools within Johnstown? And another 5-6 within a few miles? This isn't a densely populated area. Altoona has two big high schools, Johnstown should do the same. Its also inexcusable to have 10 or however many schools in Somerset county, just for the sake of having them. The area is NOT getting any bigger and I fear its going to keep getting really small, teams are getting less and less competitive with the rest of the state. "A" teams are looking more and more like JV and freshmen teams now. Its sad, and as a proud sports fan and supporter of this area, It sucks. We have no growth. We have nothing to point to. The fact that Fort Hill is one of the 25 smallest schools in Maryland, and they would be in AAA in Pennsylvania is alarming. Other states are recognizing it, why does PA hang out to old sentimental things like this? Its a part of the reason why there is a declining population rate. This old school, make sure everyone has power thing is annoying. And thats the biggest issue, its not Catholic schools, its the living in the past mentality. Its a joke that people are seriously worried about a "A" Catholic school in Johnstown, and thinking them playing AAAA will make everything better in the world. So making Bishop Carroll with less than 300 kids in the whole school playing AAAA, so Blacklick Valley can have a better chance is the answer? I know that is not the answer, and I would hope you would know that is not the answer. Its tough because everyone has loyalties to their schools and all, and I get that. But by merging schools as an area, we will have better chances stadewide, and will have the opportunity to see better quality of athletics. Than for the people that want to stick it to McCort, Carroll, and Guilfoyle for one reason or another, they would get their wish because they would be the smallest teams in the area, and would essentially have to play "up"
But we all have our opinions.
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If true, it wasn't the first one they missed. I thought it was bad all game longJoe Bivitz wrote:Ref's missed another one....Mo Valley had 12 guys on the field on winning TD in OT.anysport24 wrote:Mo Valley 20-14 over TM in OT..............As Denny Green once said "we let them off the hook"
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Recruit/Don't recruit. Public/Private. All that aside CG, you're not actually suggesting that schools in the Johnstown area should merge for athletic reasons, are you?
I understand that this is a sports forum, but the schools are still in the business of educating the students first. You want to argue that schools should merge for financial reasons, I'm all ears, but even then there's hundreds of other variables to work through. I couldn't imagine a meeting taking place where administrators discuss merging so the athletic programs compete at the state level.
I like the idea of our area having so many smaller schools. That allows more athletes the chance to actually get onto their respective "fields" and compete and learn the lessons taught from being on a team. Does that mean we bring home less hardware from the state tournaments? Sure. But it also makes it that much more special when we do.
Is this the "the living in the past mentality" that you speak of? I don't think so. I just think the more kids you can get involved in athletics (assuming their parents aren't crazy), the better.
PS: All Parochials playing AAAA is nuts. Up a class, maybe.
I understand that this is a sports forum, but the schools are still in the business of educating the students first. You want to argue that schools should merge for financial reasons, I'm all ears, but even then there's hundreds of other variables to work through. I couldn't imagine a meeting taking place where administrators discuss merging so the athletic programs compete at the state level.
I like the idea of our area having so many smaller schools. That allows more athletes the chance to actually get onto their respective "fields" and compete and learn the lessons taught from being on a team. Does that mean we bring home less hardware from the state tournaments? Sure. But it also makes it that much more special when we do.
Is this the "the living in the past mentality" that you speak of? I don't think so. I just think the more kids you can get involved in athletics (assuming their parents aren't crazy), the better.
PS: All Parochials playing AAAA is nuts. Up a class, maybe.
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Sports partially, financially as well.
Rather than having budget cuts, there could simply just be school cuts
There is plenty to merging high schools besides sports. Psycho will come on and tell you all about it.
Rather than having budget cuts, there could simply just be school cuts
There is plenty to merging high schools besides sports. Psycho will come on and tell you all about it.
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Re: 9/30/2011
Please, save it with the whole 50+ to 30 kids now...EVERYONE is having that problem for two reason. 1. Enrollment is dropping everywhere like you are saying. 2. Kids get recruited out of the district. I hate saying it again but yes, public schools lose some kids from transfers/recruiting as well.Crimson's Ghost wrote:The whole playing AAAA is so dumb, and I've said it time and time again, Bishop McCort is held in regard in the same sense as the Philly Catholic league, which is idiotic on so many levels. McCort, Carroll, and Guilfoyle are tiny schools. BC is heading towards extinction and McCort is dropping at a rapid rate. I mean the fact that they went from regularly having 50+ kids on the football team to 30 just like that, and it isn't getting any better soon.
Sports partially, financially as well.
Rather than having budget cuts, there could simply just be school cuts
There is plenty to merging high schools besides sports. Psycho will come on and tell you all about it.
Also, merging schools? Closing schools? Has the cheese slipped off of your cracker? I hope you and Psycho aren't on a school board. There's more to it financially. People lose jobs and that can be quite an inconvenience for families when garbage like that happens. However sometimes the merge can be beneficial too, but to just start merging like crazy is not the answer boss.